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what's up everybody uh we're doing it

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it is

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mach 3.

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sweet

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that's awesome

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um what's up roberts it's surfsike

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corner studios sorry about freaking out

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with the music

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that's what i do

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andres what's up i'm looking forward to

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you looking forward to this

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that is awesome

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i can't wait to go through yeah i got

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some pretty good cia documents today

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i'm glad we're doing this part too so we

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can

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get to the good stuff

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that's for sure so dieselgirl what's up

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thanks for hanging out who else we got

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lc what's happening

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chills what's up

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sam what is up

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um you'll see vinnie's

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uh disclosure team did a interview with

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the chap from a skinwalker ranch that

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was that was pretty

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pretty good

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i opened up a little bit about his

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pretty uh dramatic but you know i i felt

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um people who have had um kind of

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more emotional type experiences will

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to that person and um you know i could

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you know on the one hand it was nice to

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hear somebody express themselves that

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way um i also felt a little bit bad for

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him because um the stuff that he

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is still going through so

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very interesting i definitely recommend

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checking that out jenny novak what's up

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yeah but you could you could feel it you

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know that what what it was was uh

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real you know and impactful

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because only tom cruise can act that

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i'll tell you that and not even him

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sometimes he just mails it in

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[Laughter]

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but now that that was a good one and

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vinnie is always great as as always his

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mouth was a little bit more purple this

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i don't know why

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i'm just teased them

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um so yeah but always good

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stuff not sure if you guys are

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um keeping up with uh liberation times

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talk about their work uh once in a while

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and christopher sharp the the main dude

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um has been on this program

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uh at least once maybe maybe more than

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that but

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i'm gonna share

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uh which kind of plays off of what we

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more or less uh remember we shared that

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thing from uh vice

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news yesterday about not yesterday but

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it was uh the canadian files

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um released some canadian files but this

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basically canada to prepare

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uh report into possible ufo incursions

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at nuclear facilities and we'll consider

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reaching out to u.s and allies

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little bit of a study around nuclear

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installations very interesting

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that i mean that's that's got to be good

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that's got to be good especially if they

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reach out to us we work together a

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a couple quotes that he threw in here

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would say that safety and security is a

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facilities we can check and confirm on

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reporting that is available and get back

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so somebody's asking your questions

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um maguire declared an equate as allies

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of uap i believe it would be prudent for

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the atomic energy of canada to

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proactively reach out to their american

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counterparts to discuss this legislation

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and acquire how they are handling these

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reports and investigations

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aware a little bit of that already but

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project magnet back in 1950 i'm not

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really too sure about that but

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papa pyres what's up i like that last

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they're different last names i'm not

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bob marley what's up

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um but it seemed like in the end

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classified hearing to talk about uh what

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so uh check out that article uh that i

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this in a couple ways i could not do the

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show because of the

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the stuff going on in the world um

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this stuff but in the end

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treat this as a vacation from that it

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does touch close to home

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um feel free to engage in that with me

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sam yes give a like everyone would you i

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sexy alien right there look at that

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that thing tells you to like it

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if it turns out i piss you off you can

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come back and unlike it

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that's just how much i believe that

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so let's uh not waste any more of your

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government source a lot of people

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whatever and ask you to download them i

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even have those on my website but in the

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you should really do that

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because you know you just want to get it

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straight from the source

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the executive secretary national

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security council unidentified flying

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flying saucers

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uh the current situation concerning ufos

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which have caused extensive speculation

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manpower which could be devoted to the

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subject has thus far carried the full

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before where they actually touch on that

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uh it is my view that this situation has

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possible implications for our national

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security which transcend the interests

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of a single service a broader

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to develop a firm scientific

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understanding of the several phenomena

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which apparently are involved in these

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reports and to assure that the incidents

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will not hamper our present efforts in

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the cold war or confuse our early

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warning system in case of an attack

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i therefore recommend that this agency

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and the agencies of the department of

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defense the dod be directed to formalize

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and carry out a program

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um pursuant to section 102 of the

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national security act of 1947

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and for the purposes

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uh annunciated in paragraph d and e

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the nfc hereby authorizes

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and directs that so we have the national

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security council here by the way

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everybody at the time especially is

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you know air force is handling this

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there's air force studies happening

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little did they know

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the national security council hereby

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the central intelligence agency the cia

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and carry out a program of intelligence

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solve the problem of instant positive

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number two upon call of director of

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departments and agencies

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of intelligence and research to the

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extent of their capacity provided

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however

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that the dci shall avoid duplication of

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activities presently directed towards

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the solution

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of this problem

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so

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the national security council is saying

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everybody has to play ball

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with the

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central intelligence agency

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the efforts shall be coordinated with

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the military services and the research

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and development board of the department

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of defense

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with the psychological strategy board

311
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and other governmental agencies is

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appropriate

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the director of central intelligence

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shall disseminate information concerning

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the program of intelligence and research

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activities in this field

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to the various departments and agencies

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which have authorized

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interest therein you know what's

320
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interesting to me is we have

321
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two things

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department of defense

323
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you know

324
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to me you have

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the group running the dang thing

326
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and then how are they gonna cover it up

327
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[Laughter]

328
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you know

329
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now this is a draft

330
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drafts

331
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are

332
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you know depending

333
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just as good as the real thing they

334
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wrote the thing you know

335
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i'm just going through here a little bit

336
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and yeah so this is

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october 13 1952

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flying identified

339
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all the different names that are out

340
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there especially even today in the

341
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episode i'm doing tomorrow with the navy

342
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documents that came out there's another

343
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new acronym for these things that starts

344
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with hazard and it's so it's h something

345
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something it's a four-letter uh

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acronym

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and even here we have flying

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unidentified objects

349
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f-u-o's

350
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flank saucers have been the subject of

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air force observation

352
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and again this is a miran memorandum

353
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uh to the deputy director for

354
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flying saucers have been the subject of

355
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the air force observation and analysis

356
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because of the possibility that such

357
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objects might conceivably be an attack

358
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on the u.s

359
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if they are not it is conceivable that

360
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the enemy might take advantage of the

361
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confusion created by the flying saucers

362
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to use at his convenience some air

363
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weapon against the united states so this

364
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is really giving you inside baseball on

365
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thus far

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defense department conducted research in

367
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this area

368
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has been confined to the effort by a2

369
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through attic

370
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attic

371
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aerial technical intelligence center out

372
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of wright patterson

373
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with the result that an explanation

374
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has been provided on all but 20 percent

375
00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:34,720
of the reports

376
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:36,560
so this must be a little bit before what

377
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a determination

378
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of scientific capabilities of the ussr

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to create and control flag saucers as a

380
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weapon

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against the united states is a primary

382
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concern of the cia

383
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osi osi's the scientific branch of cia

384
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its review of existing information does

385
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not lead to the conclusion that the

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saucers are ussr created or controlled

387
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it is the view of osi the collection of

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intelligence information on the

389
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capabilities of the ussr to produce

390
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launch and control flank saucers in the

391
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analysis of such data as might be

392
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collected cannot be very effective until

393
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there is adequate fundamental scientific

394
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research launched to clarify the nature

395
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and causes of flying saucers into

396
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devised means whereby they might be

397
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the major scientific intelligence

398
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:40,880
problems in respect to saucers are

399
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:43,200
what is the present level of soviet

400
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:46,640
knowledge regarding these phenomena

401
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,440
what are possible soviet capabilities to

402
00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:51,280
utilize these phenomenon to the

403
00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:54,559
detriment of u.s security interests

404
00:18:01,830 --> 00:17:57,440
what effect do flying saucers have on

405
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:04,470
so real quick again you know we did this

406
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,280
last episode but this is october

407
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:09,360
1952.

408
00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:10,400
uh

409
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:13,760
july 1952 we had sightings all over the

410
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:14,799
capitol

411
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,840
general sanford comes and does a press

412
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:18,960
um

413
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:20,960
a press conference

414
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,360
and tells everybody

415
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:25,200
that it's fine that there are

416
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:28,480
temperature inversions

417
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:32,470
you know

418
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:34,640
and here we are we're reading this

419
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:41,190
they were extremely worried about it now

420
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:44,880
it doesn't say that they knew they were

421
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:49,510
but they

422
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:52,160
completely knew that they were real and

423
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:54,080
were

424
00:19:04,310 --> 00:18:56,000
completely

425
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:10,630
toby we gotta put that track on repeat

426
00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,310
nice

427
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:15,830
appreciate the

428
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:17,520
five bucks mark

429
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:18,880
awesome

430
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:21,440
very nice of you

431
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:22,400
so

432
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:28,000
they're pretty important uh

433
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:29,840
conclusion eight the instigation of

434
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:32,240
fundamental scientific research is the

435
00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:33,600
primary

436
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:36,840
responsibility of the defense department

437
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,280
dod the dci should

438
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:44,000
after iac

439
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,960
should dispatch to secretary levitt

440
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:48,559
along the lines of the attach the cover

441
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:50,480
sheet explaining to the iec why the

442
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,960
proposed letter is submitted is also

443
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,200
attached we should discuss this draft

444
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:57,200
and i deal with a2

445
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:58,320
air force

446
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,240
before iac

447
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,320
it is far too early in view of the

448
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:04,240
present state of our knowledge regarding

449
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:07,600
flying saucers for psychological warfare

450
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:09,679
planners to start planning how the

451
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,320
united states might use u.s flying

452
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:14,720
saucers against the enemy now what the

453
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:21,990
versus a russian flying saucer or

454
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:29,029
you know why why

455
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:30,880
that is just so weird to me that they

456
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:33,840
put us in front of it u.s flying saucers

457
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,149
kind of weird

458
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,390
when intelligence has submitted the

459
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:44,880
national estimate on flank saucers there

460
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:47,280
will be the time and basis for public

461
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:50,000
policy to reduce or restrain

462
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,360
mass hysteria

463
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,960
now what do you get here what i get from

464
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,080
this is

465
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:58,880
this shit's real

466
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:00,960
it's too early for us to know how to use

467
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:03,760
it against each other

468
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:06,000
once we get the estimate in we'll figure

469
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,360
out how to keep it from the public

470
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,200
and what happened what wound up

471
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:13,280
happening what wound up happening was

472
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,640
something called the robertson panel

473
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,440
that the ci put together

474
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,320
cia put together

475
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,159
right

476
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:25,919
blue book came out of it and what also

477
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,590
a education campaign

478
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,120
that i've read straight from the

479
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,799
documents that was supposed to last

480
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:36,559
about a year or two obviously that

481
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:37,919
didn't work

482
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:41,679
where they use force to debunk

483
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,870
it's all right here

484
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:52,240
they're talking about how they're gonna

485
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:53,760
how it's real

486
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:00,310
a few months go by and they put the plan

487
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:11,510
so

488
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:14,400
we're going to keep going

489
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:15,520
it's not going to get much better than

490
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,350
this is the intelligence advisory

491
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,520
committee yet another group

492
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,919
putting things together

493
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,000
so we have cia

494
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,280
national security council

495
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:35,760
and now the intelligence advisory

496
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:46,710
on again flying unidentified objects

497
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:49,110
and these were probably quadcopter

498
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,950
but

499
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,200
at this time i think quad quadcopter

500
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,960
drones were

501
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,799
like going for half price off the

502
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,720
shelves it was right before christmas

503
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,590
it's probably pretty popular

504
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,080
anyways attach this

505
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:12,080
is a proposed letter to secretary levitt

506
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,750
in a different form

507
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,600
it is also believed that intelligence

508
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,000
must request of appropriate authority

509
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,679
such assistance yeah we already went

510
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:27,840
over this

511
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,310
that's right

512
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:36,799
uh yes that's kind of the part that

513
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:42,310
to be quite honest it's terrible how

514
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:45,279
they try to manipulate the public

515
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,720
you know in the last batch of documents

516
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,080
that came out from the navy that we'll

517
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,480
touch on tomorrow

518
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,880
and some of the emails there is a person

519
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,039
that is a information

520
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:57,039
warfare

521
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:03,110
you know in the emails are talking about

522
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:06,320
different press releases from

523
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:07,520
you know

524
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,720
the different newspapers and stuff

525
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:12,640
now that to me sounds like information

526
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,310
since they're american news outlets

527
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,830
but that's just me and we'll get into

528
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,200
that tomorrow

529
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,960
uh recommend if

530
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:27,840
you know

531
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,159
recommendations uh so

532
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:32,480
this is interesting here to me um we

533
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,440
have a

534
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,679
okay i see concur proposed letter to

535
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,279
secretary of defense

536
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,640
pretty interesting

537
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,080
uh b

538
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:41,760
now i don't know if any of you are

539
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,960
familiar with the wilson davis notes

540
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,039
and you know if anyone believes them or

541
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,880
not whatever i'm

542
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,710
you know

543
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,799
i just i just read the things there's no

544
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,480
way for me to really know what's true or

545
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:00,640
what isn't you know i can make sense out

546
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,840
of it if i want to and i can also also

547
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,440
you know make it fake

548
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,320
to myself if i want to you know

549
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,960
so you know can go either way but when i

550
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,799
did a little bit of research into those

551
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:15,120
documents one of the things

552
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:18,799
that i caught was what they called the

553
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,279
group that covered up the

554
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:23,360
information for flying saucers so to

555
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,799
speak right

556
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,240
and it was called

557
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:29,039
watch committee or zodiac

558
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:29,919
right

559
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,669
couldn't really find much so

560
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,350
what i did find though was the watch

561
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,039
committee

562
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,520
and i have a lot more information on the

563
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,880
watch committee

564
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:48,400
but

565
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,760
i'm just mentioning that because it

566
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:51,200
comes up here

567
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,669
to give close attention to indications

568
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,600
which may reflect russian actions are

569
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,000
being taken with respect to

570
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,840
or on the basis of

571
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,400
cognizance of flying saucers or with

572
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,159
respect to the state of the united

573
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:11,760
states public opinion

574
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,669
let's read that again

575
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,080
i see requests the watch committee so

576
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,320
the watch committee is a group that has

577
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,799
an officer from every

578
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,200
uh intelligence group of the different

579
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,240
branches of you know the military so

580
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,919
there's a top dog in the air force the

581
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,960
army

582
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,240
um

583
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:39,360
fbi cia

584
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,230
and what they're supposed to do what

585
00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:46,480
they were supposed to do was

586
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,910
um

587
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,320
[Music]

588
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,279
keep an eye out for basically

589
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:53,279
uh emergency

590
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,960
type of attacks you know like

591
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,880
like russians are gonna fire a missile

592
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:01,200
like it was their job to know that

593
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,320
and to

594
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,880
you know alert people to make the

595
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:07,039
correct decisions immediately

596
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,640
on that

597
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,320
um

598
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:12,080
it later turned into like the national

599
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,870
so

600
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,200
those are the people that

601
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,360
should be looking at this here

602
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,039
according to the iec

603
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,720
the iec requests that the watch

604
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,399
committee to give close attention to

605
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:28,480
indications which may reflect russian

606
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,600
actions

607
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,480
are being taken with respect to

608
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,799
or on the basis of cognizance of flying

609
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:35,840
saucers

610
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,880
or with respect

611
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,720
to the state of the united states public

612
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,440
opinion in respect to flank saucers so

613
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,600
basically

614
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:48,000
they tasked them with seeing if russia

615
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,360
was using this against us

616
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:51,840
psychologically

617
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:54,799
is what i gather from that

618
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,679
here again we've got the 20 unexplained

619
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:59,600
ic has reviewed the current situation

620
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,600
concerning ufos which have caused

621
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:03,919
extensive speculation blah blah blah

622
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,909
um security with respect to

623
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,320
vulnerability of the us to air attack

624
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,240
always hear that

625
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:17,279
and isn't that the same today

626
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,559
right with drones around our

627
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,520
ships and boats

628
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,760
right

629
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,080
like if there are things

630
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,720
in that airspace

631
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:32,640
that they can identify that means

632
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,590
so they have to conduct some sort of

633
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,120
psychological

634
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:43,120
game to this

635
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,880
so people who want to do them harm

636
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,880
can't really figure out how it is they

637
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:51,279
are vulnerable

638
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:54,399
you know and unfortunately

639
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,000
there is a real phenomenon

640
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,240
that is used you know

641
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:02,720
for part of this mission

642
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,389
intelligence however cannot discharge

643
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,159
its responsibilities with regard to

644
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,320
estimating the capabilities of an enemy

645
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,000
to create and use such phenomenon

646
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,240
against the us unless we first determine

647
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,159
through scientific research whether or

648
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,320
not such phenomena can in fact be

649
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:22,799
generated and controlled by humans

650
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:27,679
that sounds like freaking ce5 to me

651
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,750
so it doesn't say taken down and used or

652
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,080
take the spaceship and you know back

653
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,399
engineer it says can in fact be

654
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:44,559
generated

655
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:47,919
and controlled by humans

656
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:55,909
i think of like a ce5 type of thing

657
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:57,830
now that's just an opinion i could be

658
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,919
way wrong on that but that's just what i

659
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,360
think of

660
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,120
it is therefore recommended that the

661
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,840
department of defense and by the way if

662
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,320
ce5 is real and

663
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,799
civilians can do ce5

664
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,399
don't you think the government would

665
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:14,799
already be doing that and utilizing it

666
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,269
seeing is how one of the first things

667
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:23,760
they thought about when this came up was

668
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:27,600
generating it and controlling it

669
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,389
it is therefore recommended that the dod

670
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:40,880
scientific research program reveal the

671
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,919
nature of the various phenomena

672
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:44,960
interesting

673
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,440
various

674
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,520
more than one that

675
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,919
lines up with the last

676
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,430
report the uap task force

677
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,600
put together

678
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:02,159
which are causing these sightings in

679
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:04,000
means by which these phenomena may be

680
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,519
identified immediately it is also

681
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,760
recommended that in such project there

682
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,600
be close cooperation between those

683
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:11,840
conducting the research in scientific

684
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:18,389
the iac agencies are prepared to do

685
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,789
a couple good opinions here is for money

686
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,799
prob in my opinion

687
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,399
um well

688
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,880
i would agree with you if it was only

689
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:41,200
um dr greer doing it

690
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:42,240
you know

691
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,360
who charges money for a lot of different

692
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:47,760
things but there are people who practice

693
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:51,279
ce5 and you know it's not a business

694
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:55,750
so

695
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,559
convinced it works

696
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,000
you know it's one of those things to me

697
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,919
it's where you got to set up like a

698
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,919
scientific study around it and in fact

699
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,120
see if

700
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,159
if if it works for everybody to

701
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,039
believe that i guess right

702
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:15,840
um there's people i definitely trust

703
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,880
and respect that practice it and

704
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,279
um say it works so you know i'll respect

705
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,600
their opinion whether i buy into it or

706
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,679
not a hundred percent

707
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:27,679
um would have to be either through my

708
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:30,799
own experience or you know scientific uh

709
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:36,310
so continuing

710
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:39,679
the tr-3b unfortunately i think the

711
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:47,750
i don't think that's a real thing

712
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:48,640
but

713
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,080
that's just me

714
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,399
i could be wrong

715
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,480
um

716
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,559
director of central

717
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,880
intelligence through a deputy director

718
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,120
from assistant director

719
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,200
office of scientific intelligence flag

720
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:07,110
problem whether or not there are

721
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,039
national security implications in the

722
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,840
problem of ufos whether or not adequate

723
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:13,440
study and research is currently being

724
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,870
so

725
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:22,789
facts and discussion is interesting osi

726
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,549
osi has investigated the work currently

727
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,080
being performed on flying saucers and

728
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:34,240
found that the air technical entitled

729
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,640
intelligence center di united states air

730
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,480
force right paterson air force base is

731
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,559
the only group devoting appreciable

732
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,159
effort and study to the subject that

733
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:44,559
attic is concentrating on a case-by-case

734
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:47,120
explanation of each report

735
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,799
attic air force

736
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:51,200
and this effort is not adequate to

737
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,640
correlate evaluate and resolve the

738
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:55,120
situation in an overall basis

739
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,320
interesting

740
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:57,760
but that's what they told us they're

741
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,830
so they're saying it's not adequate

742
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:05,679
but in fact

743
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,800
that's what they went ahead and did

744
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:10,879
or is that what they went ahead and told

745
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,389
you guys under

746
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,000
tr3b

747
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,040
maybe it's real i mean i could be wrong

748
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:22,639
i haven't

749
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,230
you know digging

750
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,240
so to speak to figure it out if it you

751
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,200
know or formally formulate an opinion i

752
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,359
could stand by it i'll say that

753
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:38,000
my instinct says that

754
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,119
maybe not

755
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:41,919
but i could i could be wrong

756
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,480
so i wouldn't stand by my opinion

757
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,560
but uh

758
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,040
i just noticed a lot of like the tiara

759
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:51,200
whatever stuff is

760
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:55,359
kind of revolves around grifters and

761
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,960
people making money off of movies and

762
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:58,240
stuff like that

763
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,200
but

764
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,040
you know i guess everybody does that in

765
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,119
all different kind of

766
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,000
facets in this

767
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,760
arena so

768
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,599
i don't know

769
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,599
conclusions flag saucers post two

770
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:13,119
elements of danger which have national

771
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:14,960
security implications the first involves

772
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:15,760
mass

773
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:18,880
psychological considerations

774
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:21,200
man they're so worried about our

775
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,829
you know

776
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,440
they're so concerned about our our

777
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:29,599
psyche for sure

778
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:30,800
and the second concern is the

779
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,950
and here we go more psychological stuff

780
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,880
strategy boards psychological

781
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,560
psychological blah blah blah

782
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,079
psychological

783
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,320
man it's like do they think that um

784
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,990
to me like this could go a couple ways

785
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,200
right like

786
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,359
psychological strategy board either they

787
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,160
think we're all nuts

788
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,390
this is the real deal and scary

789
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:09,119
and they really have to figure out a way

790
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:12,640
to keep this from the people because

791
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:13,440
it

792
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,030
where people would lose their freaking

793
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,510
and we sit and we think oh

794
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:25,760
come on you can't trust us

795
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:28,400
with some ufo stuff

796
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,910
i mean first of all i don't think any of

797
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:35,599
us can really know

798
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,230
interdimensional

799
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,440
uh natural earth phenomenon that screws

800
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,560
with your head

801
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,720
consciousness

802
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:50,560
i don't know

803
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,680
but think of like the craziest stuff it

804
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,680
could be

805
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,359
and everybody

806
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:02,710
like as in like you can't second-guess

807
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:09,750
maybe

808
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,640
know a pot to piss and so to speak

809
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,000
on

810
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,760
looking so hard in the psychological

811
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,119
strategy board

812
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,640
i don't know

813
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,320
i'm not trying to pacify anything

814
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:24,079
because it's impossible for me to know

815
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,230
um

816
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,910
looked at this already another 20 20 is

817
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:41,599
oh look at this one

818
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:43,839
um so we're looking at number three air

819
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,800
force carries 20 as unexplained and of

820
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,800
those received from january through july

821
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:50,720
1952

822
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:51,760
was

823
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,790
and it's increasing this problem a team

824
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,960
from cia's office of scientific

825
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,320
intelligence consulted with a

826
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,640
representative of air force special

827
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,400
studies group

828
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,320
it's another group i had no idea was

829
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:12,079
looking at this discussed the problem

830
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:13,839
with those in charge

831
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,400
of the air force project at wrightpat

832
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,200
reviewed um intelligence reports checked

833
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,240
the soviet press and broadcast

834
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,400
and conferred with three cia consultants

835
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,680
who have broad knowledge of the

836
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,599
technical areas concerned how is that

837
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,200
possible

838
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,640
they have broad knowledge of the

839
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:32,320
technical areas concerned what does that

840
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,310
that's what i'm interested in

841
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,230
you know in it i should say that it's

842
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,640
very interesting that in the preliminary

843
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,760
assessment

844
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,000
from the uap task force

845
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:49,839
one of the branches that was not on

846
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,190
the cia

847
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,190
it was found that attic that the attic

848
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,079
study is probably valid if the purpose

849
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,920
is limited to a case-by-case explanation

850
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:07,520
however that study does not solve the

851
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,640
more fundamental aspects of the problem

852
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,400
these aspects are to determine

853
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,680
definitely the nature of various

854
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,960
phenomenon which are causing these

855
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,800
sightings and to discover means by which

856
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,240
these causes

857
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,960
and their visual or electronic effects

858
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,359
may be identified immediately the cia

859
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,680
consultant stated that these solutions

860
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,800
would probably be found on the margins

861
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,359
or just beyond the frontiers

862
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:33,359
of our present knowledge in the fields

863
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,240
of

864
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,839
atmospheric

865
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:38,160
ionospheric

866
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,839
and extraterrestrial

867
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,720
phenomena

868
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:44,640
with the added possibility that the

869
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,440
present dispersal of nuclear waste

870
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:49,359
products

871
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,030
they recommended that a study group be

872
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,359
formed to perform three functions

873
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,200
analyze and systemize the factors which

874
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,599
constitute the fundamental problems

875
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,599
determine the fields of fundamental

876
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,520
science which must be investigated in

877
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,040
order to reach an understanding of the

878
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,119
phenomena involved

879
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:10,560
and make recommendations for the

880
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:16,550
something

881
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,240
is there that must have been important

882
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,560
has indicated to cia that such a group

883
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:24,880
could be constituted

884
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,160
similarly in project

885
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:30,079
i don't know project garage or blue book

886
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:33,119
the air force's air defense project

887
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,720
could be charged with some of these

888
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:37,040
responsibilities

889
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,960
flying saucer situation contains two

890
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:41,520
elements of danger which in a situation

891
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,000
of international tension have national

892
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:46,319
security implications these are oh what

893
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,599
do you know

894
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,520
psychological

895
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,440
with worldwide sightings reported it was

896
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,960
found

897
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:54,480
up to the time in the investigation

898
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:57,920
there had been in the soviet press

899
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:00,880
no report or comment

900
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:03,760
even satirical on flag saucers

901
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:10,069
made one humorous mention of the subject

902
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,680
with the state-controlled press this

903
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,200
could result only from an official

904
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,599
policy decision the question therefore

905
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,520
arises as to whether or not these

906
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,880
sightings

907
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,480
could be controlled

908
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,160
could be predicted

909
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:24,800
and could be used from a psychological

910
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:28,079
warfare point of view either offensively

911
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,510
public concern with the phenomenon which

912
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,359
is reflected both in the united states

913
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,440
press and in the pressure of inquiry

914
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:43,760
upon the air force indicates that a fair

915
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:46,240
proportion of our population is mentally

916
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:47,520
conditioned

917
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,040
to the acceptance of the incredible

918
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,440
in this fact lies the potential for the

919
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:54,960
touching off

920
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,630
air vulnerability

921
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:06,079
the usa air warning system will

922
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,520
undoubtedly always depend upon a

923
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,119
combination of radar screening and

924
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,200
visual observation

925
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,680
ussr is credited with the present

926
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,359
capability of delivering an air attack

927
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,040
against the united states

928
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,200
yet at any given moment now there may be

929
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,280
a current

930
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,359
a dozen official unidentified sightings

931
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,400
plus many unofficial ones

932
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,480
at any moment of attack we are now in a

933
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:31,200
position where we cannot on an instant

934
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,480
basis

935
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,200
distinguish hardware from phantom

936
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,280
and as tension mounts we will run the

937
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,440
increasing risk of false alerts

938
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:41,599
and the even greater danger of falsely

939
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,520
identifying the real as a phantom

940
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,920
both of these problems are primarily

941
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,400
operational in nature but each contains

942
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,960
readily apparent intelligence factors

943
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,960
from an operational point of view three

944
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,880
actions are required

945
00:43:03,190 --> 00:42:59,280
immediate steps should be taken to

946
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:03,200
improve identification of both visual

947
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:04,720
and electron and

948
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,680
electronic phantom

949
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,440
i read that again immediate steps should

950
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,440
be taken to improve identification of

951
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,400
both visual

952
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,480
and electronic phantom so that in the

953
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,160
event of an attack

954
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:20,319
instant and positive identification of

955
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:25,910
a study should be instituted to

956
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,800
determine that if any utilization could

957
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,960
be made of these phenomena by the united

958
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,079
states

959
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:34,960
psychological warfare planners

960
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,359
and what if any defenses should be

961
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:39,359
planned in anticipation

962
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,030
in order to minimize risk of panic and

963
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:50,079
national policy should be established

964
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:54,160
as to what should be told

965
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:05,030
what should we tell them

966
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,790
you know

967
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:09,359
what does that remind you of

968
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:15,430
you know at school or something

969
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,790
what are we gonna tell our parents

970
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:26,470
what am i going to tell

971
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,829
in order to minimize risk of panic and

972
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,839
national policy should be established as

973
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:38,960
to what

974
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:41,839
should be told to the public regarding

975
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,349
and josh comes in with a good one

976
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:49,920
the truth of what they do and don't know

977
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:53,040
would be a very nice start

978
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,670
like what would you believe you know

979
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,950
possible soviet intentions and

980
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,040
capabilities to utilize these phenomena

981
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:09,040
to the detriment of the united states

982
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:15,030
the reasons for silence in the soviet

983
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,950
additional research deferring in

984
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,319
character and emphasis from that

985
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,760
presently being performed by the air

986
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,119
force will be required to meet the

987
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,119
specific needs of both operations and

988
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:28,880
intelligence

989
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,400
field as

990
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:34,800
regards both collection and analysis can

991
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,079
be discharged with maximum effectiveness

992
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,560
only after much more is known

993
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:42,560
regarding the exact nature of these

994
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,839
phenomena

995
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:45,839
i consider this problem to be of such

996
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,680
importance that it should be brought to

997
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:50,160
the attention of the national security

998
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,760
council

999
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,440
in order that a community-wide

1000
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:55,280
coordinated effort

1001
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,870
one more time this is

1002
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:05,280
like second to the top dog

1003
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:11,349
in 1952

1004
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,920
says i consider this problem to be of

1005
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,000
such importance that it should be

1006
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,680
brought to the attention

1007
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,000
of the national security council

1008
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,680
in order that a community-wide

1009
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:23,359
coordinated effort towards its solution

1010
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:37,990
um

1011
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,200
as i go through this stuff

1012
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,040
i mean

1013
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:47,680
so this document here is

1014
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:51,119
from the osi of the cia their scientific

1015
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,950
um and this

1016
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:58,480
more or less kind of hits the same

1017
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:03,990
uh what further investigation and

1018
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,630
facts bearing in the problem

1019
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,670
i found that the only unit was in the

1020
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,520
air force

1021
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,680
attic there's a small group consisting

1022
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,920
of a reserve captain two lieutenants and

1023
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:23,520
two secretaries

1024
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,720
to which

1025
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:27,119
come all reports of sightings to

1026
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,559
official channels

1027
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:30,240
and which conducts investigation of the

1028
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,440
reports either itself or through

1029
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:33,599
consultation with the air force officers

1030
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,480
or civilian technical consultants

1031
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:39,359
a worldwide reporting system has been

1032
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:44,230
where are we just trying to figure out

1033
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:49,270
all right

1034
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,829
isn't that something we needed now

1035
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,359
apparently

1036
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,680
so what the hell happened

1037
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,760
a worldwide reporting system has been

1038
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:03,920
instituted and major air force bases

1039
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:07,119
have been ordered to make interceptions

1040
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,069
the research being carried

1041
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,040
on is strictly on a case basis and

1042
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:19,920
appears to be designed solely to attempt

1043
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:22,880
a satisfactory satisfactory explanation

1044
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:32,309
attic has concluded an arrangement with

1045
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,839
patella memorial institute

1046
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,240
for the latter to establish a machine

1047
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:39,760
indexing system

1048
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:47,190
that's the ibm machine system

1049
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,589
that later turned into project white

1050
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:02,880
stork

1051
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,270
things that

1052
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,559
like

1053
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,559
fragments and stuff from different ufo

1054
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,280
sightings they analyzed them

1055
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,520
including soil samples and all that kind

1056
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,839
of stuff

1057
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,240
that is patel project stork

1058
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,960
since 1947 attic has received uh we

1059
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:26,559
already went over that so many times can

1060
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,230
um oh discussion osi entered into its

1061
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,160
inquiry fully aware that it was coming

1062
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:37,839
into a field already charged with

1063
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,319
partisanship

1064
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,480
one in which objectivity had been

1065
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,880
overridden by numerous sensational

1066
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,839
writers

1067
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,480
and one in which there are pressures for

1068
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,359
extravagant explanations as well as over

1069
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,680
simplification

1070
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,359
the osi team consulted with a

1071
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:57,280
representative of air force special

1072
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:58,800
studies group

1073
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:02,240
discuss the problem with these

1074
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,680
with those in charge of the air force

1075
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:05,280
project at right field

1076
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,800
reviewed a considerable volume of

1077
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,880
intelligence reports checked the soviet

1078
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,280
press and broadcast

1079
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,680
um

1080
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,240
and conferred with three osi consultants

1081
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,240
all leaders in their scientific fields

1082
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:20,720
were chosen because of their broad

1083
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,829
concerned osi found that

1084
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:28,800
the

1085
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:32,000
permit

1086
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,839
purpose is limited to case-by-case

1087
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:36,000
explanation

1088
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,240
however the study makes no attempt

1089
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,480
to solve the more fundamental aspect of

1090
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,920
the problem

1091
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:45,920
which is to determine definitely the

1092
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,079
nature of various phenomena which are

1093
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,960
causing these sightings

1094
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:52,640
interesting huh

1095
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:56,480
so the air force study of ufos here

1096
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,190
it's valid if it's on a case-by-case

1097
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,040
explanation however

1098
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,160
the study makes no attempt

1099
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,040
to solve the more fundamental aspect

1100
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:13,200
of the problem which is to determine

1101
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,480
definitely

1102
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:15,839
the nature

1103
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,549
which are causing the sightings

1104
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,480
or to discover means by which these

1105
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:26,800
causes and their visual or electronic

1106
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:36,390
interesting huh

1107
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:41,990
was a case-by-case basis

1108
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:43,839
none of it

1109
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:50,950
definite nature of the various phenomena

1110
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:01,349
um

1111
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,750
because we already went over this stuff

1112
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:11,109
analyze and

1113
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,400
excuse me

1114
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:14,559
systemize the factors of information

1115
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:17,440
which form the fundamental problem

1116
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,880
determine the fields of fundamental

1117
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,559
science which must be investigated in

1118
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:21,920
order to reach an

1119
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,000
understanding of the phenomenon involved

1120
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,079
and make recommendations for the

1121
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:30,640
initiation of appropriate research

1122
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,880
robertson panel debunking program

1123
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:37,040
while everybody researches it still

1124
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,750
because as we find out in these

1125
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:43,599
documents after the research the

1126
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,240
robertson panel

1127
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,000
1955 and 1953

1128
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,319
cia is still looking at this air force

1129
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,880
is obviously still looking at this

1130
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,200
in the 60s nsa was getting blue book

1131
00:53:03,510 --> 00:52:56,880
reports cia was getting blue book

1132
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:05,109
so sometimes it's hard for me to just

1133
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:06,160
say

1134
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,349
was this

1135
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:12,960
part of this

1136
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:16,000
it was a national public policy

1137
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,760
there's no national public policy that

1138
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,160
would be successful if your public

1139
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:22,240
leaders

1140
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,430
you're heads of navy

1141
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,240
army air force

1142
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:32,000
cia

1143
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,630
more psychological stuff

1144
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,480
with worldwide sightings reported it was

1145
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:44,160
found that up to

1146
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:44,880
the

1147
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,920
already know

1148
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:51,839
could be controlled already went over

1149
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,750
yeah

1150
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,910
all right this is a re-run

1151
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,349
re-run

1152
00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:11,430
so it don't mind me

1153
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:13,109
i think we've read this already the

1154
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,640
problem transcends the level of

1155
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:16,720
individual departmental responsibilities

1156
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,520
and is of such importance as to merit

1157
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:21,680
cognizance and action by the national

1158
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:24,079
security council

1159
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:36,829
so i'm gonna keep going

1160
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,910
and on the basis of these programs of

1161
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,920
research cia

1162
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,680
develop and recommend for adoption by

1163
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,760
the national security council a policy

1164
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:48,079
of public information which will

1165
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,069
um

1166
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,400
yeah this is

1167
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:03,920
man we're hitting an hour and we're

1168
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,960
still not done

1169
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:08,640
i guess we're gonna have to have a part

1170
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,680
three

1171
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:11,359
but i'll look at these documents and see

1172
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,400
if

1173
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:15,359
any of these are even better

1174
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:28,630
okay actually i'm just gonna go

1175
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,390
uh yeah we're gonna read this

1176
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,990
so i believe this is a report

1177
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:37,760
by osi

1178
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,309
the purpose of this presentation is to

1179
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,160
report the findings of the osi study

1180
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,680
group as to the implications of the

1181
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,680
flying saucer problem

1182
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:51,280
i'll start with a resume of what we have

1183
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:53,839
done in a short history of the subject

1184
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,960
like we'll outline the air force effort

1185
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:58,960
this is probably the best

1186
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:00,839
report

1187
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:04,960
um that osi is put together

1188
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,200
or any one at the time is put together

1189
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:09,200
about flank saucers so that's why i'm

1190
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,799
reading it

1191
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,880
we'll go uh we'll outline the air force

1192
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:14,400
effort we'll go into the explanations of

1193
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:15,760
sightings that will give you our

1194
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,079
conclusions our group reviewed available

1195
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,240
intelligence official reports press and

1196
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:22,000
magazine coverage and the main popular

1197
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,839
books indexes of soviet press were

1198
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:26,240
scanned we spent today at wright field

1199
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,680
with the officers conducting the air

1200
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,280
force study and finally we took the

1201
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:31,359
problem to a group of our own

1202
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,920
consultants

1203
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:35,839
the saucer freer in this country started

1204
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:39,040
in june 1907 1947 with a report of nine

1205
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,960
disks flying in formation

1206
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,440
past mount rainier at an estimated speed

1207
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,359
of a thousand miles per hour this was

1208
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,200
filed immediately by continuing an

1209
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:49,280
increasing flood of reports over the

1210
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,640
months

1211
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:52,880
therefore in 1948 the air force

1212
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,589
to study the phenomenon where those

1213
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,359
files by the way

1214
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,599
and in december 1949 it released

1215
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:06,079
sections of its secret report to the

1216
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:07,520
press

1217
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,400
the conclusion was that the sightings

1218
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:12,799
stem from three causes so now when we

1219
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,720
read these keep in mind what we've just

1220
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,480
read that came out

1221
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,240
three years

1222
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,559
after this was told

1223
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,760
to the public

1224
00:57:30,210 --> 00:57:23,760
mass hysteria hallucination and oaks

1225
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,150
[Music]

1226
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:34,799
the status this satisfied much of the

1227
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,359
public but not certain sensational

1228
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,000
writers thankfully

1229
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,079
the resulting highly speculative books

1230
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,680
and magazine articles combined with

1231
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,000
increasing reports of sightings built up

1232
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:48,880
such resurgence of public interest

1233
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,200
that air force early in 1951 reopened

1234
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,880
its study instituted a worldwide

1235
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:55,440
reporting system and alerted its bases

1236
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,520
to intercept the unidentified objects

1237
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,440
general sanford gave their interim

1238
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,839
conclusions in his recent press

1239
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:05,200
conference

1240
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,119
these were that analysis of the cases

1241
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,359
showed no pattern of anything consistent

1242
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,760
with any menace to the united states

1243
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:13,839
this press conference was right after

1244
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,319
washington sightings

1245
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,040
no pattern of anything consistent yep

1246
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,680
read that that the reason washington

1247
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:23,760
reports were probably due to temperature

1248
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,030
key term there probably

1249
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,520
and that the unexplained sightings could

1250
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:33,760
not have resulted from any experiments

1251
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,839
or tests conducted by the united states

1252
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:39,440
you know the interesting part here is

1253
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,640
all the way going back to 1952

1254
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:44,720
we discount

1255
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,309
military pilot testimony

1256
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,109
they write this like there were only

1257
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:56,880
radar hits

1258
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,240
that could have been incorrect or

1259
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,960
malfunctioning that is not the case

1260
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:02,799
there were commercial and military

1261
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:17,430
and then they go on to say they weren't

1262
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,720
they couldn't have been experiments or

1263
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,040
tests conducted by the united states so

1264
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:23,520
if you put that together with

1265
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:25,760
eyewitnesses

1266
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:30,319
and two different radar installations

1267
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,430
and all of everything we've been reading

1268
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:39,440
happened after

1269
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,880
those sightings and the months following

1270
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:45,200
those sightings

1271
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:48,160
which led up to the robertson panel

1272
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,670
and that's

1273
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,670
in summarizing this discussion i would

1274
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:02,640
restate that on three of the main

1275
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,000
theories and explanation of these

1276
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,200
phenomena the u.s development

1277
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:09,839
u.s development russian development and

1278
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:13,599
spaceships the evidence either

1279
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:16,160
fact or of logic is so strongly against

1280
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:17,760
them that they weren't at present no

1281
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:21,040
more than speculative consideration

1282
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,640
however it is important that there are

1283
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,400
many who believe in them and will

1284
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:26,319
continue to do so in spite of any

1285
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,200
official pronouncement which may be made

1286
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,280
you got that right

1287
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,119
uh this whole affair has demonstrated

1288
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,880
that there is a fair proportion of our

1289
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:36,559
population which is mentally conditioned

1290
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,359
to the acceptance of the incredible

1291
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,520
thus we arrive at two danger points in a

1292
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:43,200
situation of international attention

1293
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,400
seem to have national security

1294
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,640
implications

1295
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,160
earlier we mentioned the search of

1296
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:51,119
soviet press attic made a similar search

1297
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,799
with worldwide sightings reported we

1298
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:55,040
have found that one reporter comet yep

1299
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:05,990
um let me get to the good stuff

1300
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,950
um

1301
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:11,030
let me see here air force is aware of

1302
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:14,160
this and had investigated

1303
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:15,520
a number

1304
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,599
of the civilian groups

1305
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:19,680
that have sprung up to follow the

1306
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:27,990
air force is aware of this and had

1307
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:30,079
investigated a number of the civilian

1308
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:31,760
groups that have sprung up to follow the

1309
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,910
one the civilian saucer committee in

1310
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:37,760
california has substantial funds

1311
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:40,400
strongly influences the editorial policy

1312
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:42,079
of a number of newspapers and has

1313
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,599
leaders whose connections may be

1314
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:45,280
questionable

1315
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:47,839
air force is watching this organization

1316
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:50,640
because of its power to touch off mass

1317
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:53,599
hysteria and panic

1318
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:55,599
perhaps we from an intelligence point of

1319
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:57,760
view should watch for any indication of

1320
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:00,000
russian efforts to capitalize upon this

1321
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,349
of even greater

1322
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,680
moment is the second danger air warning

1323
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:09,680
system

1324
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,160
undoubtedly depend upon a combination of

1325
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:15,359
radar scanning and visual observation

1326
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,119
we give russia the capability of

1327
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:19,680
delivering an air attack against us yet

1328
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:21,599
at any given moment now

1329
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:23,200
there may be

1330
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:24,880
current a dozen yeah we already read

1331
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,880
that

1332
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:29,119
at the moment of attack how will we on

1333
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:31,039
an instant basis distinguish hardware

1334
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:32,480
from phantom

1335
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:38,150
is that until far greater knowledge is

1336
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:39,599
achieved

1337
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:45,029
um

1338
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:48,160
the little understood phenomenon

1339
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:49,839
i wonder what's under there

1340
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:07,430
i'm gonna um going here

1341
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,069
i'm gonna keep going keep going keep

1342
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:12,240
going keep going

1343
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:13,760
because there's

1344
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:15,200
there's a different reason than what

1345
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:16,880
i've read so far that i said this is a

1346
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:26,150
so

1347
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,990
uh in the next few minutes i intend to

1348
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,520
touch briefly upon the official

1349
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:31,440
explanations of the great majority of

1350
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,920
sightings of ufos and mention possible

1351
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,520
phenomena which may account for some of

1352
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:38,000
the open cases before we elaborate upon

1353
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:39,680
the current explanations i would like

1354
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:41,200
you to keep in mind certain facts which

1355
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:43,920
are generally common to all reports

1356
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:45,599
first in

1357
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:47,839
is the earnestness of those making

1358
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,520
reports

1359
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:51,280
these people are certain that they have

1360
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:53,839
seen something

1361
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:55,039
secondly

1362
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,000
objects cited almost always are reported

1363
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:00,400
to be against the sky they're bought

1364
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:03,920
there by providing no point of reference

1365
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,440
thirdly without a reference point a

1366
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:08,000
valid estimation of size speed distance

1367
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:09,440
of relative motion is virtually

1368
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:10,480
impossible

1369
01:04:18,549 --> 01:04:16,630
uh finally no debris or material

1370
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:18,559
evidence has been recovered following an

1371
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,200
unexplained sighting that is

1372
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,870
lie

1373
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:29,510
and i don't even mean

1374
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:31,920
like an alien ship

1375
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,599
right

1376
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:36,160
no debris or material evidence has ever

1377
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,920
been recovered following an unexplained

1378
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,119
sighting

1379
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:41,440
i can pull one up right freaking now

1380
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:44,160
maybe it's a meteor

1381
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:51,349
and there was evidence left

1382
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:53,359
their blue book reports with the check

1383
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:56,240
mark on the box that says physical

1384
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:03,349
and each case of reported sightings

1385
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:06,319
exists the personal element

1386
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:08,000
this is the combined effect of

1387
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,200
psychological and physiological factors

1388
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,200
which individually

1389
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:15,359
or together may have outstanding

1390
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,839
importance in the accuracy of a person's

1391
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:19,039
report

1392
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:20,799
these factors generally cannot be

1393
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:22,799
determined adequately psychological

1394
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:23,920
factors are

1395
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:26,079
mental conditioning by newspaper stories

1396
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:28,240
of earlier reported sightings

1397
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:30,240
individual emotional response with

1398
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,119
respect to the unknown

1399
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:35,520
desire for publicity resulting in

1400
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,029
or complete fabrication

1401
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:45,280
a motion of chase of

1402
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:47,760
interceptor pilots

1403
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:50,079
major physiological factors are a

1404
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,920
general physical condition of the person

1405
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,839
at the time of sighting

1406
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:55,599
fatigue

1407
01:06:01,990 --> 01:06:00,230
that one is i believe

1408
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,000
when you run out of oxygen and you're

1409
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,160
flying up behind the sky like captain

1410
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:06,799
mantell in

1411
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:09,280
existence and extent of eye strain

1412
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:18,549
insufficient night adaptation

1413
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:20,880
now let us take up the explanations

1414
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:23,119
which have been used to account for well

1415
01:06:27,950 --> 01:06:25,760
over a thousand cases under the category

1416
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:27,960
of misinterpretation of identical

1417
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:30,480
identifiable objects

1418
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:31,920
attic feels that the most prevalent

1419
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:33,839
misinterpretations have been

1420
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:37,440
balloons aircraft uh meat ears

1421
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:39,359
atmospheric phenomena instrumental

1422
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:46,789
there are two types of high altitude

1423
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:59,349
yeah we all know what that

1424
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:04,549
um i'm just gonna keep going

1425
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:06,230
uh the interesting thing here about

1426
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:07,839
consequently because of the large number

1427
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,520
of release daily of weather balloons

1428
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,200
basically is what they're saying

1429
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,440
um so they're basically drawing the

1430
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:15,200
picture that

1431
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:17,119
they could be all over and we don't know

1432
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,160
which is um actually again incorrect

1433
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:22,160
because

1434
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:25,920
they had contact information

1435
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:33,910
and would check the records along with

1436
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,640
wind patterns on these sightings

1437
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:40,720
and that's not me making it up you can

1438
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:44,000
read that in project blue book files for

1439
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,359
yourself

1440
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:47,200
that was a part of their job and that's

1441
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,230
sometimes they were balloons

1442
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:54,480
but sometimes they'd call

1443
01:08:03,510 --> 01:07:58,000
a balloon palace and they'd say uh no

1444
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,990
so then they get into um some pretty

1445
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:07,680
dicey ones here

1446
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:10,240
the man tell case captain mantel if

1447
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,559
you're not familiar

1448
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:14,000
that's a good case

1449
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,719
referred to by

1450
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:18,239
whoever has been explained as a

1451
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:20,480
misinterpretation of a navy skyhook

1452
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:21,600
balloon

1453
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:24,719
this was in january 1947 there were

1454
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:27,120
three interceptor aircraft one pilot by

1455
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,560
captain mentel

1456
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,400
he radioed in that he was going to climb

1457
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,600
to 20 000 feet in an attempt to close it

1458
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:35,839
his rather wild report

1459
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:38,400
that the object was tremendous and his

1460
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,679
subsequent crash are laid to the effects

1461
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:43,279
of

1462
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,630
a case under known conditions occurred

1463
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,199
some months ago at right field

1464
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:55,279
which illustrates the fact that the

1465
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,040
objects at high altitudes may be in

1466
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:59,040
sharper illumination even one or two

1467
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,440
hours before dawn or after this case

1468
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:03,520
also points up interesting

1469
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:10,390
all right

1470
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:21,269
i'm getting a little tired

1471
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:24,070
so what i want i'm just skipping this uh

1472
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:25,920
i hope people how they think people are

1473
01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:32,709
and

1474
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:36,390
i want to go to

1475
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,430
something else

1476
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:47,749
i'm going to keep going

1477
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:50,070
which basically they just go through

1478
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:52,640
the different um

1479
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:55,920
prosaic things and give an example of

1480
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:09,270
prosaic but

1481
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:11,750
there is something a little bit better

1482
01:10:26,890 --> 01:10:19,189
so hang in there with me and i will

1483
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:29,669
[Music]

1484
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:39,910
um then they go through in these areas

1485
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:41,440
occur phenomena which may account for

1486
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:44,640
optical or electronic aberrations

1487
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:46,719
as well as for things actually seen

1488
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:49,760
atmospheric ionization and extra

1489
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:53,199
dash terrestrial phenomena

1490
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:54,719
now when they put that dash in there

1491
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:56,840
after extra

1492
01:11:09,510 --> 01:10:58,960
terrestrial um

1493
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:10,630
um

1494
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:21,430
i could just

1495
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:25,510
okay here we go

1496
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,910
uh this list could be extended at length

1497
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:29,679
suffice to say our ignorance of the

1498
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:31,920
nature and controlling factors of all

1499
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,400
the above is immense

1500
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,239
effects of interaction between these

1501
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,400
natural phenomena and radioactive

1502
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:40,800
material in the air can only be

1503
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,080
conjectured

1504
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,400
the appearance of unusual optical or

1505
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,920
radar sightings caused by these

1506
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:47,760
phenomena is possible

1507
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,719
their occurrence cannot be predicted

1508
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:52,640
there is some strength to the hypothesis

1509
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:54,159
that many of the unexplained sightings

1510
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:58,080
of ufos may be electromagnetic

1511
01:12:02,149 --> 01:11:59,920
or electrostatic

1512
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:02,159
in character factors supporting this

1513
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:03,840
hypothesis are

1514
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:05,840
absence of sound although apparently

1515
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:08,320
moving rapidly in the atmosphere

1516
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:10,400
phenomena are apparently affected by

1517
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:13,120
shock waves or electromagnetic radiation

1518
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:14,960
of aircraft

1519
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:17,440
reports of erratic operation of various

1520
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:19,360
kinds of instruments in the vicinity of

1521
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:20,560
sightings

1522
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:25,360
and oak ridge at a time when the

1523
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:28,480
background radiation count has risen

1524
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:30,960
inexplicably

1525
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:36,320
here we run out of even blue yonder

1526
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:38,480
explanations that might be tenable and

1527
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,040
yet we still are left with numbers of

1528
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:43,679
incredible reports from credible

1529
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,669
so

1530
01:13:02,870 --> 01:12:58,730
i think that's it for today

1531
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,030
uh those of you who hung out

1532
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:07,120
great work

1533
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:12,470
um

1534
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,719
like i mean i wasn't lying this is

1535
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:16,880
probably like the best

1536
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:19,679
ufo documents that i i could

1537
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:20,800
show you

1538
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:26,310
as far as historical

1539
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:27,679
um there are more

1540
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:30,800
cia documents but these

1541
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:36,390
so to speak

1542
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:38,080
so

1543
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,600
that being said hey please like the

1544
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,280
video i would really appreciate that

1545
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,920
that helps um

1546
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,080
share it

1547
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:48,640
you know if people want proof

1548
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:54,070
you know

1549
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,920
appreciate you guys so much

1550
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:58,159
have a great rest of the day i will see

1551
01:14:10,870 --> 01:13:59,760
you